Jump to content
Pokémon Vortex

TheRessurectedOne

Members
  • Posts

    11
  • Joined

  • Last visited

Posts posted by TheRessurectedOne

  1. We talked about the idea of themed seasons for each month. So here are so suggestions

     

    Make the theme based on Types or Regions

    This kind of a theme can work really well. This will bring importance to various aspects of the game and will make this game more interesting with type or region based benefits

     

    If the theme is based on type (we will take grass type as example):

    1. Make it so that the points to be added to the seasonal's formula for unique pokemon caught will be slightly more for the type of the theme. For example, if the theme of the month is Grass type, the uniques of other types will count as 1 pokemon but for grass type it would be 2 (lower is fine too)for the formula, however the final addition of unique caught will be the same even though for the formula there was a boost. This way there would be increased interest towards catching grass type pokemons as the theme but the other type pokemons will also be considered as is
    2. Give experience boost to the type. For example, other type's 100 level pokemon gain 500 exp from defeating another 100 level pokemon but for the grass type as the theme, the exp will be 600exp. This will incentivize the players to use the grass types without tampering the other types. This will also benefit the players who want to gain seasonal points and want to follow the theme too. So that if two players are putting in the same time for exp and did the same amount of battles, the one who followed the theme gets more point and the other player doesn't feel cheated as he got the points he worked for.
    3. Increase the spawn rates for the grass type rares and legendaries for the casual players to enjoy the game too

     

    This means that if the player go by the theme he/she will benefit directly and will be incentivized but if the players had other plans for the seasonals, they wouldn't be

    affected as the other types performance isn't affected

    Also the daily reward pokemons can be of the themes type

     

    If the theme is based on region (we will take kanto for example):

    1. First off, double the chances of getting the rarest price from the regions sidequest and the pd price to complete the sidequest
    2. Training exp of a kanto pokemon with level 100 will give 600exp against another level 100 instead of the normal 500 exp which will be for pokemons of other regions
    3. Count the number of unique caught more for the kanto pokemons like mentioned for the type based theme points
    4. Increase the spawn rates of the kanto rare pokemons and legendaries for the casual players

     

    This will further put interest in the particular region and incentivize players to focus on the particular region for the rewards for the seasonals and the casual players too

    Make the daily reward pokemons Kanto pokemons only for this example

     

    We shouldn't make this over complicated. Also the season theme can be influenced by the months particular event as well, for example, as this month we are going to have meloetta (pirouette) event who is from kalos region, the theme can be kalos region based.

     

    I would like further inputs on the same

        

    • Thanks 1
    • Upvote 1
  2. 1 hour ago, DarkCollector said:

    shiny Necrozma (dusk mane) Dark's Mega Giveaway Shiny Necrozma (Dawn Wings)
     


    Giving away all the pokes from my account-ign:DarkCollector
    Loads of prizes to be won !!
    Entries end on 8 May 2022 and winners will recive their prices withing 24 hours of that.

    Some basic rules:

    • Will disqualify scammers/banned accounts/ppl using new/alt accounts to enter, etc. I will try be as fair as possible. Rules might change/evolve based on suggestions that can make the giveaway more fair and so on.
    • Most likely a person can only win one prize, but might change depending on total number of participants.

     

    How to enter:

    Just comment below - your ign and the prize set u would like to win.
     

     

    Prizes:
    1) Arceus set A: Dark Arceus (dark)dark arceus (dragon)Dark arceus (electric)Dark Arceus (Fighting)Dark Arceus (Fire)

    2)Arceus set B : Dark Arceus (Grass)dark arceus (ice)dark arceus (rock)Dark arceus (steel)dark arceus (water)

    3) Furfrou set A :Dark Furfrou (dandy)Dark furfrou (debutante)dark furfrou (diamond)Dark furfrou (heart)

    4) Furfrou set B: Dark furfrou (kabuki)dark furfrou (la reine)Dark furfrou (matron)dark furfrou (Pharaoh)

    5) Deoxys set : Dark Deoxys (attack)Dark deoxys (defense)dark deoxys (speed)

    6) Pikachu cosplay set : Dark pikachu (belle)Dark pikachu (libre)Dark pikachu (ph. d.)Dark pikachu (pop star)Dark pikachu (rock star)

    7) Rotom set: dark rotom (pokedex)dark rotom (cut)Dark rotom (frost)dark rotom (heat)dark rotom (spin)

    8 ) Star Wars set : Dark Barbaracle (Grievous)Dark Scrafty (ackbar)Dark voltorb (bb-8)

    9) Primal set : Dark Groudon (primal)Dark kyogre (primal)

    10) Kyurem set :Dark kyurem (black)Dark kyurem (white)

    11) Togepi set : Dark Togepi (Halloween)Dark Togetic (Halloween)

    12) Halloween set :Dark Rotom (halloween)Dark pikachu (halloween)

    13)Necrozma Event set: Dark necrozmaDark cosmog

    14,15,16,17,18,19 ) Donation pokemon :Dark Arceus (fairy)Dark Giratina (origin)Dark Hoopa (Unbound)Dark meloetta (aria)Dark Mewtwo (Armor)Dark Zeraora

    20)Zygarde set : Dark Zygarde (Complete)Dark Zygarde (Partial)Dark Zygarde (Core)dark zygarde (cell)

    21) Fossil set : Dark cradilyDark AerodactylDark Kabuto

    22) Caterpie set :Dark Caterpie (christmas)Dark metapod (christmas)Dark butterfree (christmas)

    23) Zubat set :Dark zubat (halloween)Dark golbat (halloween)Dark crobat (halloween)

    24) Vivillon set: All Dark Vivillons including dark vivillon (pokeball) dark vivillon (fancy)

    25)Alcremie set : Dark Alcremie (berry)Dark alcremie (clover)Dark alcremie (flower)Dark alcremie (love)Dark alcremie (ribbon)Dark alcremie (star)Dark alcremie (strawberry)

    26) Random set A : Dark Jolteon (Christmas)Dark Landorus (Therian)Dark xerneas (neutral)

    27) Random set B : dark vaporeon (christmas)Dark tornadus (therian)Dark Keldeo (Resolute)

    28) Random set C :Dark hoopaDark magearnaDark Floette (eternal)

    29) Random set D :Dark VolcanionDark greninja (ash)Dark genesect (blaze)

    30) Dark mega's set : All Dark mega pokemon (except aerodactyl, snorlax, lucario) = 46 dark megas

     

    31) Unown set: All dark unowns 0-Z

     

    32) Evolutionary set : Dark Ninetales (alolan)Dark Sandslash (Alolan)Dark Darmanitan (galarian)Dark darmanitan (galarian zen) Dark appletunDark FlappleDark Polteageist

    34) Dark legendaries set A: 23 Different Dark legendaries

     

    35) Dark Legendaries set B:23 Different Dark legendaries

     

    36) All my shiny , metallic , mystic, normal  pokes.

     

    37,38,39) 300 different dark non legendariy pokemon (each prize)

    40) Dark necrozma: Dark necrozma
     

     

    More prizes might be added !!

     

     


     

    IGN : TrainingExperience
    I would like set 30 (all your dark megas. sound cool) or the 300 non leggies will be fine too

  3. 32 minutes ago, Quintonboy1 said:

    I understand your point of view, in the case of clan events I don't really feel it's a good idea to implement an automatic clan reward system. When I refer to clan events I mostly mean community hosted events and such, all of which are possible to host via community apps such as discord. It's a shame for players who don't have access to those applications or refuse to use them as I feel they are missing out on being a part of the community. I like your post however and it's certainly something to take into consideration. ♡

    As for what happens to the funds if a player were to leave the clan or be kicked, I imagine the funds would stay with the clan you contributed to because you need to actively choose to use that feature. If you get kicked from a clan or decide to leave there will always be a better community for you to join up with. If something like that happens and you contributed a significant amount via your activity, it hurts the clan your no longer a part of way more than the money invested until that point could ever hurt you. That's my opinion anyhow.

     

    Just remember this post is for the utility use of the depository system. I'm definitely not looking for a clan system overhaul yet, though I do like the idea of using the depository for slice of life usage within a clan if we ever do get a more indepth rehaul.

    the clan events for cbs we run re mostly done on discord and the rewards are preset so makes sense we have it like only. You are right the game generated event rewards makes no sense after i read it back

     

    depository will be one hell of an addition and clan based events will surely be the one good reason to play back

     

    • Love-dis 1
  4. 8 minutes ago, omg414 said:

    This is a great idea. To add on let's look at clan depository from a different angle. All this while we were just looking for ways and means to share multiple items in game. 

    As it's clan depository... Why not we have a depository of multiple stats regarding the clan?

    The stats could be something like this:

    1) Exp contributed by all the 100 members in a form of pie chart. 

    2) Total battles of members in a clan again could be represented with multiple charts.

    3) Clan peak time. This chart could show when most of the members were active. They could be involved in catching, training or hunting. 

    4) Compare our clan stats with other clan stats. Suppose there is a clan which is currently second place. We could compare the stats with the clan above them and one below them. This would exclusively for top 100 clans. Like how many points we are ahead of them or below them. 

    5) To add on to my 4th point we should be able to have an option to compare the stats with another clan which we would like to compare. Just like how we all have access to local top trainers of any country we could probably have something like that.

     

    Now let's think of how we can use the money collected in the depository. 

    1) What if we had something like clan exp boost? Where in there would be a particular amount of pds fixed for this. When activated the whole clan could get 0.5× more exp than normal. It works as a clan exp boost. Here all members will come together as a clan and would train together. This is not coming for free as we could use the pds collected in depository to activate this. The time can be 30 minutes or an hour.

    2) Similar to my 1st point above we could have something like spawn boost. Where in clan leaders could pick a particular variant and we could have a boost in the spawn of a variant for a particular time. 

     

    the exp boost and spawn boost sounds a good idea as an event. We already had events where exp training rewards were increased, the spawn rate for UBs were tripled etc. we can have clan events like this every month so that the participation of dormant players will increase and they will be active for a time

  5. 4 hours ago, Quintonboy1 said:

    Here I am yet again with what will probably be another long post, but I only feel compelled to make them when I feel as if I have something fun, useful, or unique to share! Todays subject matter will be in regards to the "hopefully" upcoming clan depository. In this post I will display some ideas while trying my best to present them in a matter that makes as much sense as possible. I also encourage other people to toss in their own ideas as the only bad ideas are ones not presented. Here we go! (Keep in mind that not every idea is great here and I will not respond to defend my ideas if you say they're "a bad idea")

     

    IDEAS:  I will proceed to explain what these mean systematically below.

    1. Depository Tax
    2. Requests, Deposits, Direct Trades
    3. Availability Setting
    4. Audit Log
    5. Role Responsibility
    6. Ease of Use
    7. Anti-Scam Measures

     

    Depository Tax: Refers to an optional 10% tax that individual members can opt into it if they want to contribute to potential clan held events in the future. If a member decides to opt into this tax 10% of any pokedollars the player would receive via battles only will be deposited directly into a clan "wallet". The money will only be accessible to leaders/co-leaders for redistribution purposes for any givin case scenario i.e. Rewarding a particular player, funding clan events, and other similar use situations.

    Pros:

    -Gives the members a valid means to contribute to the clan.-

    -Takes pressure off of individual members in terms of hosting events out of pocket.-

    -Members who contribute regularly can be recognized.-

    -Feature is optional for individual players to avoid risk.-

    Cons:

    -Leaders & Co-leaders have access to the funds so there is a technical risk.-

    -Taxes.-

     

    Personal thoughts: I believe this would be a useful tool in terms of allowing a clan to accrue a resource to promote activity with its members. The more active the clan obviously the better the potential for rewards. I feel like members who decide to opt in should have at least a in clan way of being recognized as contributors. It is true there is some potential risk for someone stealing money; however I hope to touch up on this further along in the post.

     

     

    Requests, Deposits, Direct Trades: Of course this is the bread and butter feature of the whole system! I think this is partially self explanatory; however I feel like there are a couple of points where one can be a bit more obvious and specific here. Deposits are the easiest to explain, any player of the clan is allowed to deposit items into the depository. It will be their choice to place it in there up for grabs, to restrict an item to be for a request, or to designate a specific member to be allowed to accept the deposited item. A Request item is essentially something that would need to be accepted by an Elitest or higher after a member puts in a request for an particular restricted item. A Direct Trade would be an item that can only be claimed by a designated member chosen upon depositing the item.

    Pros:

    -Gives the Elitists a role to play in terms of managing the clan.-

    -Allows members within the same clan to quick trade.-

    -Requests can prevent a single player from hoarding items and reselling for personal gain.-

    -Deposits allow members flexibility and options when it comes to what they wish to donate to the Depository.-

    -In clan moderation over items distributed via the depository.-

    Cons:

    -Any item put into the depository can be taken out especially if its listed as up for grabs.-

     

                Personal Thoughts: I believe having both the option to direct trade members as well as the request system will make the depository more "Fair Use" it certainly would feel bad if you were attempting to work out a trade only for another member to be struck with a case of greed causing preventable arguments to ensue in my opinion. Direct trade will allow members to conduct business without the need for waiting on things to go through, while request trading allows elitist's and higher to monitor who gets what and allows a form of moderation in the system. Many players dont mind where their items go however if they are feeling generous so the "Free Trade" or "Up For Grabs" option is also a nice option to have in place in my opinion.

     

    Availability Setting: This is just a touch up of the previous "Requests, Deposits, Direct Trades" section. When a member sends something to the depository they should be allowed to determine what level of availability said item has. You can either list is as a free to grab item, a restricted item, or a direct trade item. I also believe that when it comes to pokedollars they can be deposited in bulk as desired in varying amounts; however if the Clan tax system gets implemented that money should be easily separated from amounts obtainable via players deposits. I recommend a clan wallet that can have funds withdrawn from it to be stored into the depository as either a direct trade or a restricted item. Another thing to point out, when it comes to restricted trades an elitest probably shouldn't be allowed to accept their own requests when putting them in for items.

     

     

     

    Audit Logs: I think a Log should be available as a resource for leaders and co leaders to use to keep track of various deposits/withdrawals as a deterrent for malicious behavior. Pretty self explanatory. 

     

    Role Responsibility: If you have been reading carefully and paying attention then I'm sure you will already have a grasp of who is allowed to do what in regards to this. 

    • Leader: Access to Logs, Access to "Wallet", Access to Requests Acceptation/Declination, Access to Deposits/Requests
    • Co-Leaders: Access to Logs, Access to "Wallet", Access to Requests Acceptation/Declination, Access to Deposits/Requests 
    • Elitists: Access to Requests Acceptation/Declination, Access to Deposits/Requests
    • Members: Access to Deposits/Requests

     

    Ease Of Use: The only idea here is please allow us to deposit more than one of the same avatar at a time, I know many players who are sitting on literal hoards of avatars(Myself Included) It would just be a nice slice of life thing ❤️ 

     

    Anti-Scam Measures: With any new system that allows players to essentially transfer objects from one player to another, there is always a good chance someone somewhere will find a way to abuse it, that's sadly just a fact of life. I'm sure y'all have read some ways I plan on mitigating this however there are a few more options I have in mind so I will recap some of the methods that can assist us here and explains some others as well.

     

    In Clan Moderation: Using a combination of the Audit Log, and the request system described earlier. This can dissuade the people in charge from abusing any systems by making actions taken publicly available.

     

    Depository Unlock Fee: I think there should be an investment to allow the use of the depository. Something the players can work together to achieve. This will prevent players from making clans for the sole purpose of using the depository exclusively for malicious gains. It can be anything from a minimum amount of clan battles to unlock up to being a viable money sink added into the game. This would be one of those things Patrick can use creatively.

     

    24 Hour Accept/ Decline Period: I also think a player should receive any requested item automatically if their request for a restricted item hasn't been declined within 24 hours of their initial request time. This ensures that no items will be stuck in the depository in the case members go inactive and keeps items out of limbo.

     

    Sorry again for the long post, I hope y'all enjoyed my brains struggle and concepts for what I would consider to be a possible god tier function into the game. I personally want the depository to be more of a useful tool than something that is just there and nobody wants to use because it causes more issues than it solves. These are just one Shuckles ideas here for you to contribute or judge. Be kind and lets continue to work together to make this game even better as the years pass us by!!213MS.png

    The clan tax thing is awesome. But what happens to the taxes you paid after you leave the clan or you are kicked out

    I think the depository will act like a bank in which all the items, pokemons, pds are and if you need one you can have it according to the availability set.

     

    What we can do with the pds or pokemons in the depository will be distributed as rewards to the highest contributors in total points, clan wins or exp points whichever the clan prioritizes

     

    For example, A clan with a lot of clan battles wins can later incentivize the members to do exp training to gain exp and according to the exp points contributed, the rewards in the depository will be distributed. The rewards will be predetermined and the rewards there can have an availability set accordingly so that no one claims one of the rewards in the middle of the event.

    What we also need is a clan event where few clan activities will reward the players with good pokemons, items etc. This clan event will shift everyones interest in the game to their clans and if not in one they will like to join it. If we have it before the depository is made available, this can seriously help the game to throw light on clan, clan depository etc. and increase its usage. We can have this event in such a way that even if you are a small clan you can win some prices and the prices will be such that to increase exp, do clan battles etc and the more you do it the better the results would be. The rewards can just be some of the earlier event pokemons from mystery boxes or just randomly good pokemons we get for smaller contributions.

    Lastly, we need a clan chat section just like we have for individual players who we follow or are friends with. Also there must be a clan notice board kind of a system like in Clash of Clans where the leaders, co-leaders have the ability to mail every player regarding various topics reagarding clan wars, exp training etc.

     

    Hope instead of just dropping the depository, we have some other cool clan features. The game gets boring and lonely without friends constantly playing with you and once there will be clan events from the clan and the game, depository, chat box etc, we can actually cut this boredom of and make this game much more interesting for the players who don't use forums or discord to socialize in the game.

    • Upvote 1
  6. I am looking for 70 mystery boxes. How much exp is 70 mystery box promo code is worth? I can somehow manage 50-60m exp but dont know if it is worrth the 70mb code. It is much more affordable than 12 mb code as it is worth 10 dollars which gives 10 less mbs as compared to 50$ code

  7. 2 hours ago, legend_gaming said:

    use dark necrozmadark%20guzzlord.pngdark dialgadark steelix (mega)dark eternatusdark darkrown

    Sure this is a good team. but it is really tough to get 2 dark ultra beasts ready to be sold and using guzzlord for fling is not a good idea as darkrown is going to do it with its amazing type combo as well as for the draco meteor it has, dialga and eternatus already have them. the heavy slam which will be good for fairy type is not required if u have steelix mega. the dialga is unnecessary and using a dark duraludon is better since it knows a better steel type attack and eternatus has a better dragon type move. u need to get all bases cleared and this team will struggle infront of fairy type as the 3 pokemons are week to it and the only way to deal with steel type is by earthquake from steelix. 

  8. On 3/4/2022 at 1:35 PM, Khajari1510 said:

    In the past, I've usually found giveaways to be a waste of time, so I'm not going to waste my time by telling you the prizes.

    Here's how this giveaway is gonna work:
    1) You enter by putting your IGN and at least one good reason why you deserve my charity (stupid answers don't get anything, I want legit reasons here) at the end of your reply, please put a name of a Pokemon that you think is my favourite. Also, mention me in your reply or quote this message please or I may not be able to find your entry as easily.

    2) When I can be bothered, I'll announce some winners. It might be as low as 3, could be that everyone wins a prize

    3) IMPORTANT, if you are a player that just comments your IGN and leaves nothing else, you are excluded from ALL of my future giveaways. I'm sick of people that even go onto closed giveaways and still try to enter.

    4) If you win, enjoy your prize! It's likely the prize will be my OT, so look after it :)

     

    Good luck...I guess?

    IGN : TheRessurectedOne

    The one thing I like about this game is that giveaways, events, trade offers etc make this game very interesting and gives a way to make friends and spark interest in the game too. Hope if I win this giveaway we can be friends in pv hence, I want to win this giveaway

    Your favourite pokemon is Melmetal melmetal

  9. Rule 1 : Always use Dark Variant of pokemons
    Rule 2 : Any attack over 125BP of a dark variant is going to do 400 or more HP damage to neutral pokemons
    Rule 3 : Check If you have coverage for every type in the game


    NORMAL/RARE OR MEGA POKEMONS
    1)dark lopunny (mega)
    Dark Lopunny (Mega) Teach it last resort and focus punch. Both Attacks can hit all types (except ghost type) for neutral or super effective damage. You have to happiness train a dark buneary and get a lopunnite which is negligible task compared to the returns u are going to get

    2) 
    dark sableye
    Dark Sableye : Teach it fling. Instead of spending 500k on a sablenite to mega evolve to get fling, you are better off teaching a dark sableye fling on your own.

    3)dark steelix  / dark steelix (mega)
    Dark Steelix / Steelix (Mega) : Teach it Gyro Ball and Earthquake or mega evolve (whichever is cheaper and available). It can take down Fairy types as well has earthquake which is the only way to deal with electric types

    4) dark wailord
    Dark Wailord : Teach it Water Spout. Water type is one of the best type in the game. It resistes steel type which is good as well. You find a lot of rock, fire, ground types and you can use dark wailord for it

    5) dark pichu
    Dark Pichu : Teach it Volt Tackle. Not one of the most important but as it only has one weakness and it can take flying and water type pokemons and can hit a lot of strong types neutrally it can be really useful. Plus after nearly 150 battles you can evolve it into a Dark Pikachu which is always good to have

    6) dark duraludon
    Dark Duraludon : Teach it Gyro Ball and Draco Meteor. THE BEST SIDEQUEST POKEMON. It can hit every type with no exceptions for neutral or super effective damage. Also Dragon-Steel type is the best defensive type in the game. Only ground and fighting type are super effective on it

    7) Dark Rhyperior
    Dark Rhyperior : Teach it Rock Wrecker and Earthquake. It will be good against fire, steel, flying, electric etc

    😎dark jellicent
    Dark Jellicent : Teach it Water Spout. It is like Dark Wailord but with immunity to normal and fighting type

    LEGENDARY POKEMONS

    1) dark dratinire
    Dark Dratinire : Teach it V-create and Draco Meteor. DRATINIRE WITH V-CREATE AND DRACO METEOR IS BETTER THAN DARK VICTINI. It is better defensively than victini. It is neutral to fairy which dragon is weak to and neutral to water which fire is weak to. can do 563HP to Normal Variants  and 450HP to Metallic Variants. Draco Meteor is also nice to have

    2) dark darkrown
    Dark Darkrown : Teach it Fling. Just as good as Sableye with Fling or Sableye (Mega). 3 immunities and only 1 weakness is good to have.

    3) dark eternatus
    Dark Eternatus : Teach it Eternabeam. It does 500HP damage to every variant expect Metallic(Metallic takes 400HP damage which is enough). Dragon type is the least resisted type and it also is poison type because of which you can do super effective damage to fairy type pokemon

    4) dark dialga
    Dark Dialga : It already has Roar Of Time and FLash Cannon. Roar of Time is the best Dragon type attack and Dialga has only 2 weaknesses and tons of resistances.

    ULTRA BEAST

    1) dark necrozma
    Dark Necrozma : It has prismatic laser which is one of the best attacks in the game. 

    2) dark guzzlord
    Dark Guzzlord : It had STAB Fling and Draco Meteor. Both are good pokemons


    Please tell if any pokemons are not included

    • Love-dis 1
    • Upvote 2
  10. 16 hours ago, A_chap said:

    what would you like to have for the dark guzzlord or necrozma

    pds or some exp pokemons

     

     

  11. Whenever i go to trade a pokemon, i choose the pokemon to be traded from the different variants tab available while offering them. However, whenever I choose a pokemon from one variant and go to another variants tab to choose another pokemon to be given and then submit my trade, the pokemon i earlier chose will not be offered and pokemon from the latest variant option available is offered. For Example : For some players Garchomp i want to offer Shiny Munchlax and Metallic Magikarp, when i choose the Munchlax by filtering the pokemon to be offered by variants and choose the shiny type and click and Shiny Munchlax and then choose the metallic tab and then choose the Metallic Magikarp and offer the pokemon, the only pokemon offered is the Metallic Magikarp and the Shiny Munchlax is not offered with it.

    It makes me look like a clown when i offer a Metallic Magikarp so please fix this

  12. On 11/11/2021 at 10:00 PM, Kong-ZILLA said:

    so i had left vortex for some days but i felt to join back,and for that i am hosting this giveaway there will be 5 winners and they get to choose what they want in the order they won like example you were the firs one to win you could choose any prize out of the 5

    1st prize:shiny ho-oh

    2nd:alcremie (flower)

    3rd:latios (mega)

    4th:zygarde

    5th: scizor (mega)

    giveaway ends at november 20 aka my birthday

     take care

    to participate just comment on this post

    969-9690141_chibi-lugia-with-a-sunset-ba

    IGN = TheRessurectedOne

     

×
×
  • Create New...